How to render video for CDROM playback

2006-03-13

Hi guys,

I am just wondering what are the best settings to use in Premiere, After Effects, Final Cut, etc, etc, to render my video for playback on a 700MB CDROM.

At the moment, I am using a 100kbps data rate limit to play the video, as I was told to make video render at that bitrate or it wont play on a cd player, I am finding that the video quality is quite low.

Does anybody have any advice on how I can maximise my video quality? I have only a few minutes of video, and want it to be as good as possible when playing straight from cd.

Cheers

Do as you would be done by.

schlagzeug · 2006-03-13 #2

That's a tough problem, whenever clients ask about using Flash on a cd-rom I always get a bad feeling, cause it's really not meant for that. Director is much better for video on CD - it's meant to load it.

satchmo511 · 2006-03-13 #3

I have used Flash to build several CD-Roms with video, and had great success.

Use Sorenson Squeeze's CD settings and compress as FLV and you should have great results.

javalang · 2006-03-14 #4

oops, sorry guys, the final projector is being made in director, but I am using Premiere to render the video content, and need to know the best settings to use.

I was told to force the data rate of the video to 100kbps, but have found that other cd's with video playiing from them are mentioned by quicktimes movie info as being at 640kbps, so i think i will use the higher bit rate in the rendering, also, when you suggest the use of sorenson squeeze, how do i do that? In the premiere render settings, I see sorenson video, sorenson video 3 and a host of others, but no sorenson squeeze, is that something else altogether?

thanks for your help.

csimpson · 2006-03-15 #5

1.5Mbps MPEG1 video. 352X240 aspect ratio. Watch out when comparing QT with other bitrates (Quicktime usually rates in kiloBytes per second. Others are Kilobits per second (1/8 of a kilobyte) MPEG1 is universal, runs fullscreen on a 233MMX machine and looks quite decent.

Goten · 2006-03-15 #6

Originally posted by javalang
oops, sorry guys, the final projector is being made in director, but I am using Premiere to render the video content, and need to know the best settings to use.

I was told to force the data rate of the video to 100kbps, but have found that other cd's with video playiing from them are mentioned by quicktimes movie info as being at 640kbps, so i think i will use the higher bit rate in the rendering, also, when you suggest the use of sorenson squeeze, how do i do that? In the premiere render settings, I see sorenson video, sorenson video 3 and a host of others, but no sorenson squeeze, is that something else altogether?

thanks for your help.

check here for the sorenson product: www.sorensonmedia.com

i wonder wich is gona be the final size of the video and how many FPS are you using... remember for TV is 29.95 so change that to 25 to run a little better... but all depends of wich format are you gona deliver... my choice .mov but you need to think that some people don't have the Quicktime Plug, so... maybe MPEG2 movie works great in a cd

csimpson · 2006-03-15 #7

MPEG2 is a poor choice because the end user needs to have a decoder (either software or hardware) installed on their machine. I recently did a Director / Flash build CDROM which is incorporating FLV files. On a PIII 667Mhz machine it runs "okay" but a wee bit clunky while playing the flash video. I would have much rather used MPEG1 since we're pressing a quarter of a million discs and it's going to a very diverse audience. But, to do what the client wanted, needed to go with Flash Video... sigh...

If you can do it, MPEG1 is the best format for wide accestability. It's an old standard, but with a decent bitrate it can look very good. You can get about an hour of MPEG1 Video on a CDROM.

.mov (QT) is only acceptable if you know your target audience has it installed on their machine. People hate having to install additional software to get it to work. PS, the only drawback for MPEG1 is that the best way to deliver it is by using the Tabuleiro MPEGAdvance Xtra.

Last and not least, Quicktime( Using the Sorenson codec for example) may look better than MPEG1, but if you're looking for anyone and everyone to be able to view it on a PC, got MPEG1.

javalang · 2006-03-15 #8

Thanks for your great advice everyone! I really appreciate it when people help each other out here!

When I got stuck, I thought I would look at the training videos in the Adobe CS2 training in a book and note thier settings in quicktime, and yes, one thing i did leanr was that os10.2 reports data rate in quicktime as kbps, whereas 10.3 quicktime was at K bytes/s, what an annoyance! I thought I was rendering things all wrong! Also, they had a bit rate of 500 K bytes/s, which ran fine off cd on a 700MHz G4 emac. So i copied this and now have the video running smoothly.

It is too late too make changes to the director settings or render as mpeg1, but I will take these advice down as notes and use it next time.

Thanks for the help team!!!

csimpson · 2006-03-16 #9

cheers

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	schlagzeug	2006-03-13 #2
	That's a tough problem, whenever clients ask about using Flash on a cd-rom I always get a bad feeling, cause it's really not meant for that. Director is much better for video on CD - it's meant to load it.

	satchmo511	2006-03-13 #3
	I have used Flash to build several CD-Roms with video, and had great success. Use Sorenson Squeeze's CD settings and compress as FLV and you should have great results.

	javalang	2006-03-14 #4
	oops, sorry guys, the final projector is being made in director, but I am using Premiere to render the video content, and need to know the best settings to use. I was told to force the data rate of the video to 100kbps, but have found that other cd's with video playiing from them are mentioned by quicktimes movie info as being at 640kbps, so i think i will use the higher bit rate in the rendering, also, when you suggest the use of sorenson squeeze, how do i do that? In the premiere render settings, I see sorenson video, sorenson video 3 and a host of others, but no sorenson squeeze, is that something else altogether? thanks for your help.

	csimpson	2006-03-15 #5
	1.5Mbps MPEG1 video. 352X240 aspect ratio. Watch out when comparing QT with other bitrates (Quicktime usually rates in kiloBytes per second. Others are Kilobits per second (1/8 of a kilobyte) MPEG1 is universal, runs fullscreen on a 233MMX machine and looks quite decent.

	Goten Creative Assets	2006-03-15 #6
	Originally posted by javalang oops, sorry guys, the final projector is being made in director, but I am using Premiere to render the video content, and need to know the best settings to use. I was told to force the data rate of the video to 100kbps, but have found that other cd's with video playiing from them are mentioned by quicktimes movie info as being at 640kbps, so i think i will use the higher bit rate in the rendering, also, when you suggest the use of sorenson squeeze, how do i do that? In the premiere render settings, I see sorenson video, sorenson video 3 and a host of others, but no sorenson squeeze, is that something else altogether? thanks for your help. check here for the sorenson product: www.sorensonmedia.com i wonder wich is gona be the final size of the video and how many FPS are you using... remember for TV is 29.95 so change that to 25 to run a little better... but all depends of wich format are you gona deliver... my choice .mov but you need to think that some people don't have the Quicktime Plug, so... maybe MPEG2 movie works great in a cd

	csimpson	2006-03-15 #7
	MPEG2 is a poor choice because the end user needs to have a decoder (either software or hardware) installed on their machine. I recently did a Director / Flash build CDROM which is incorporating FLV files. On a PIII 667Mhz machine it runs "okay" but a wee bit clunky while playing the flash video. I would have much rather used MPEG1 since we're pressing a quarter of a million discs and it's going to a very diverse audience. But, to do what the client wanted, needed to go with Flash Video... sigh... If you can do it, MPEG1 is the best format for wide accestability. It's an old standard, but with a decent bitrate it can look very good. You can get about an hour of MPEG1 Video on a CDROM. .mov (QT) is only acceptable if you know your target audience has it installed on their machine. People hate having to install additional software to get it to work. PS, the only drawback for MPEG1 is that the best way to deliver it is by using the Tabuleiro MPEGAdvance Xtra. Last and not least, Quicktime( Using the Sorenson codec for example) may look better than MPEG1, but if you're looking for anyone and everyone to be able to view it on a PC, got MPEG1.

	javalang	2006-03-15 #8
	Thanks for your great advice everyone! I really appreciate it when people help each other out here! When I got stuck, I thought I would look at the training videos in the Adobe CS2 training in a book and note thier settings in quicktime, and yes, one thing i did leanr was that os10.2 reports data rate in quicktime as kbps, whereas 10.3 quicktime was at K bytes/s, what an annoyance! I thought I was rendering things all wrong! Also, they had a bit rate of 500 K bytes/s, which ran fine off cd on a 700MHz G4 emac. So i copied this and now have the video running smoothly. It is too late too make changes to the director settings or render as mpeg1, but I will take these advice down as notes and use it next time. Thanks for the help team!!!