Attendance

2008-06-09

It seems like attendance on the forums these days has dropped off significantly. Are people just REALLY, REALLY busy?

It's not like it used to be

What do you want to build today?

Holaso · 2008-06-10 #2

I blame it on the google generation and the web 2.0 experience. Ten years ago sites like this were some of the only ones to go to. Now everyone seems to divide their time up between 10+ other forums and social networking sites...not to mention Google and Wikipedia.

I myself am guilty of spending extra time on Wikipedia, Google, Linkedin, and DeviantArt...as you can see each site is a subject matter distinctly different from the other and my time is divided. On top of that add work, family, and my own personal time.

Isocase · 2008-06-10 #3

I just got a new job and I am getting busier at work. I do frequent the site a lot because I am learning more things so I need help with more stuff. But I know as I get older, do the whole family thing etc.etc. My time will become limited and I won't have as much time to browse not only this forum but other sites as well.

I do know a lot of the top dev's here have been a little quite but thats because client work takes top priority.

Mijiru · 2008-06-10 #4

I have no excuse

Edit: Whoops, this is the Flash forum - in that case, I have.

SightStorm · 2008-06-10 #5

I'm still here

mehmet22 · 2008-06-10 #6

Work is keeping me really busy.
But I am still lurking here for a good .5 - 1 hour a day.

3D-man · 2008-06-10 #7

I'm just amazed. It just seems like its changed since the site first started about 8 years ago.

enkriptid · 2008-06-16 #8

for reals man, i noticed that too... i think maybe they could of left up the submissions part of the site.. i mean if there are no tutorials and no open source, what reason would a new designer have to stick around very long when there are plenty of other sites that offer these very helpful resources.. i believe that unless your already at least somewhat intermediate. . you would most likely end up going somewhere else before posting anything here

Hansen · 2008-06-17 #9

http://www.ultrashock.com/forums/tutorials/
Ultrashock Tutorials Index
http://www.ultrashock.com/tutorials

But I think we need to come up with a better way of displaying the tuts.. the forum solution isn't enough I think.

enkriptid · 2008-06-17 #10

yeah.. i knew they were here.. but i was trying to speak from the perspective of someone new to the site

Anik · 2008-06-17 #11

It is really sad if people only come to UltraShock to find free stuff and tutorials, considering the forums have been maintained from the begging with the time of professionals that take time from their free time to help others, so i get angry each time people complain about how there are no new tutorials, and never recognize the amount of time some of US members have taken to help them or help any one who asked for help, and the amount of time, work, and money US owners have put into the site to give everything for free, so many people have started their career with the things they have learned here, and so few have given something in return to the community.

The problem here imo, is that people want to be helped but dont help, want tutorials but have never contributed with one, etc etc, its very easy to talk and not do, and everything has a limit, members that contribute to US also have one, like Nutrox who i can bet has helped everyone who has ever asked a question here, and had to take a break lately since he was basically spending more time here than doing his stuff, and then came to the forum and read people complaining about how there's no new tutorials, come on.

I am also concerned about the participation in the forums, i also wished there where more people contributing helping, sharing interesting stuff, or just chatting for fun, that where creating new tutorials etc, but i really dont see people willing to do any of that.

Mijiru · 2008-06-17 #12

I don't think there are many people like that Anik. I think ultrashock is too professional for the mass now. If I ever decide to start with Flash again this isn't the place where I'll be studying action script, this information being exchanged here is like Tier 3.

I think it's the lack of people on a lower level (who are into free stuff and tutorials) on this forum is causing the ultrashock community to grow grey.

edit: illustration, rolf.

elQueFaltaba · 2008-06-17 #13

Mijiru - you actually made me laugh at the Tier3 mentioning, thanx.
Well, i'm back in after so many years of wondering about in other forums or in none. I think there are a good bunch of people who now tend to cast their questions as if the members of a forum (any forum for that matter) were there to solve their problems. Or even worse, they come up with any free code they found around, and want you to decode the free script, and make it work to their specs. Some of them don't want to know how it works, they just want it done.

In other places, i've seen the core members refusing to explain what a given code does when its obvious the user doesn't really know the basics in the first place... which sometimes its a bit rough, but fair enough to those who really want to help and get help back.

enkriptid · 2008-06-17 #14

Anik, i agree with you to an extent. you must also consider the "fun" factor as well, submitting something cool for someone else to learn from is fun in my book.. i did it plenty at flashkit back in the flash 5/6 days. i got enough work doing complete projects to actually care about someone using a menu with xml sample or something so isolated, submitting is just as much a learning experience as is decompiling (for what ever reasons) and editing/piecing apart fla's just on diff. levels *consider the manuals a developer must create for his software.. What i miss is the experimental submissions.. stuff that most people wouldnt really be able to use on a site except in very rare occasions . i mean, thats what i learned the most from, seeing how things so abstract where constructed to inspire my own creativity.

we must not forget this is a science.. and people will gain more of an interest when that is reflected more so in this site upon first glance, like the old version of it did...

Anik · 2008-06-18 #15

I think mijiru hit the nail on this, at least partially, contrary to what you say enkriptid, i think US apart from the low participation of its members, has grown too advanced on the questions and most n00bs cant find what they are looking for since its not much of a place for starters anymore, the more scientific and specific you get the less people will understand it.

The fun factor is lost because people dont post, they just get what they need and leave, laughing alone is not as fun as laughing with other people, so having a fun thread, even if it is the most fun, or interesting, or good for learning thread with just 2 posts will never transcend.

What we must not forget is that this is a COMMUNITY, and a community requires participation, just like in real life, you dont stop going to the cinema just because they painted the walls with a color you dont like, or do you ?

Andy-M · 2008-06-18 #16

Well I agree that the questions on here are getting quite advanced. It's not like "how do I make a mouseover menu?" anymore.

As for people not posting, I almost have to agree with that too. I can point you to several threads in the past few weeks where someone posted a question and then had a lot of flurry of activity in the days after the first initial post until the question is answered. Then not even a "thank you" reply. They just leave. This attitude also contributes to the forum as not only does it makes the contributors to that thread mad, but it contributes to the overall attitude of the forum in a negative way. (However, usually these posters have done the same thing in the past - post only to ask questions and disappear once they have the answer without even a simple "thanks" reply). It doesn't become a community anymore but rather a help desk.

So I agree with Anik, we must start getting more fun threads and people posting random things like "I just bought new shoes". Ok that might be dumb but at least it's part of a community. A community is about sharing and to keep a community going, we need to be as sharing as possible. ...which is why I created this thread: http://www.ultrashock.com/forums/ran...-new-post.html

mehmet22 · 2008-06-18 #17

I second the quote about the questions getting pretty hard. When I am lurking on the boards I stumble on some questions that are seriously overwhelming.

But I have been known to ask pretty simple questions which get answered very fast. I must say I always try to say Thank You.

Laveklint · 2008-06-18 #18

I´ve been quite busy the last weeks or so but I try to check at least once a day and I try to help out as much as I can, however I agree with the fact that every now and again a feeling of less attendance here on US, which is quite sad. As Anik said, US have contributed so much as have the US´ers who spend a lot of their time helping needed, and the least everyone can do is try to give something back...
Otherwise it´s like we all behave like a teenage-guy-having-sex ..alot of taking but no giving

Nutrox · 2008-06-18 #19

I think one of the reasons why the questions are getting more advanced, and I'm aiming this at the Flash/AS related questions, is because the forum and most of it's regular members are maturing with the technologies they use. Compare the timelines on this page and this page with Ultrashock's timeline and you should see parallels.

As well as that, a lot of members here use Flash/AS on a daily basis because it is tied directly to their profession, so they will no doubt want to learn more technical stuff and ask more technical questions in order to advance their careers. If members are learning AS at the moment then they should be learning AS3 really, so the questions are going to be more technical by default. You learn the basics, then move on to classes etc, then design patterns, and so on. A lot of stuff you can do with Flash and AS now wasn't possible before (i.e. in the early Ultrashock days).

That is one angle to it anyway. If I had a choice between "serious pro technical Ultrashock" and "fun kiddies playground Ultrashock" I would choose the former.

SightStorm · 2008-06-19 #20

I agree, at this point in time there are so many sources of basic adobe knowledge including flash that places like US2 become just "another option" where people could find answers. However, developers using US2 as a more advanced source of help doesn't surprise me at all. I'm sure in future years US2 will be even more technical as other sources of information flourish.

Codemonkey · 2008-06-19 #21

The reason questions are getting more and more advanced is because the easy ones have been answered over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

You can find almost anything on these boards alone, let alone forums like kirupa where people like senocular literally cover every word of the syntax/api. The internet is full of tutorials after years of actionscript.

Nutrox · 2008-06-19 #22

Quote: Originally Posted by Codemonkey

The reason questions are getting more and more advanced is because the easy ones have been answered over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

I hear you, déjà vu is common for us Ultrashock regulars.

All of the answers to the basic questions are in this forum somewhere, that is for sure, but some people are too lazy to search for them. They probably use Google to search for porn all day but they can't be bothered to search Ultrashock for an answer to a question.

Mijiru · 2008-06-19 #23

But on the other hand it also explains why attendance is low, maybe people are searching instead of opening threads.

Nutrox · 2008-06-19 #24

Yep, it is a double edged sword unfortunately. More searches means less new threads, and vise versa. I don't think the forum is that slow to be honest though, it might not be as active as it once was but that isn't the end of the world.

Anik · 2008-06-19 #25

Quote: Originally Posted by Nutrox

They probably use Google to search for porn all day but they can't be bothered to search Ultrashock for an answer to a question.

LOL ! that is true.

nrg · 2008-06-20 #26

Here's a fact: currently 61.51% from our daily traffic comes directly from Google results...

Mijiru · 2008-06-20 #27

True. http://www.google.be/search?hl=nl&cl...G=Zoeken&meta=

Codemonkey · 2008-06-20 #28

lool only if you spell it wrong

Codemonkey · 2008-06-20 #29

it's wrong, right? Otherwise we need to rename the thread pronto

Nutrox · 2008-06-20 #30

centred is the American version, everyone else uses centered as it is the correct spelling.

Codemonkey · 2008-06-20 #31

it won't show up in the correct spelling then :/

Nutrox · 2008-06-20 #32

That is a shame really because it is quite a good thread. Doing a google for "full screen flash" does return an Ultrashock result but it is the 35th result or something and it references this thread not the big full screen thread.

Looks like this is another area of SEO that needs addressing, the differences between English and American-English spellings. I would have thought Google would have been smart enough to handle that though.

Codemonkey · 2008-06-22 #33

Actually, Ultrashock hardly ever shows up in the top ten, unless you provide the word ultrashock with it, or the exact title of a post. Maybe we should actively modify posts and titles with SEO in mind?

The problem with that is that SEO is looking at keywords and combinations thereof. It is very rare to find a thread/post with the keyword 'actionscript' in the title, which makes sense, since the post already resides in a forum called 'Actionscript'. This goes for all the topics that Ultrashock covers. If all those threads had these keywords however, I'm sure they would popup much quicker in search engines.

Maybe it's worthwhile to look into how thread/post titles can be prefixed with the names of the parent thread/forums? That way you create a kind of breadcrumb trail, which are naturally consumed by a search engine. Maybe posts' titles can be filled with one or two keywords extracted from that post by some analyses (ie. based on size of the post, find up to three keywords that occur often en provide a blacklist for common words). This kind of active SEO mindset can really boost Ultrashock's search ratings.

nrg · 2008-06-22 #34

It's pretty hard to come up on top with just one widely used keyword, since then the mighty Google Page ranking algorythm influences the search results even more. The most prominent factor here is how popular your website is on other sites, and certainly not only on what you feed Google as far as keywords go.

Do a search for "random chat attendance" and you'll notice this fairly new thread showing up in second place, although there are 66,900 other results for this query. I think we're not doing bad at all SEO wise.

Nutrox · 2008-06-22 #35

Hehe... a search for me gets a good Ultrashock ranking.

Google search

Why is that though? I doubt there are any links to my profile page from other sites.

Codemonkey · 2008-06-22 #36

Quote: Originally Posted by Nutrox

Why is that though? I doubt there are any links to my profile page from other sites.

Nutrox is a pretty uncommon name; try searching on "Codemonkey" and you'll find the world. For better or for worse

Quote: Originally Posted by nrg

It's pretty hard to come up on top with just one widely used keyword, since then the mighty Google Page ranking algorythm influences the search results even more. The most prominent factor here is how popular your website is on other sites, and certainly not only on what you feed Google as far as keywords go.

Do a search for "random chat attendance" and you'll notice this fairly new thread showing up in second place, although there are 66,900 other results for this query. I think we're not doing bad at all SEO wise.

Peter, 'random chat attendance' is a highly customized keyword combination. It is not strange it points to this recent thread. It contains uncommon words and in an even less obvious combination, and Google is geared towards actual content. Whether the thread survives the current rankings is currently based solely on its momentum (update interval) and age, since no one links to it. As soon as this thread is becoming stale, I suspect it will drop like a rock in the rankings.

Yes it matters a lot that other pages link to you, but even if someone links to a thread on Ultrashock, the search engines won't pick up on a lot of its content, because the keywords don't appear in the right places/orderly fashion. So just the thread will be indexed on the keywords provided by the other party linking to it (and probably the page title), while the page referred to isn't acting as a landing page for many people Googling other (but related) keywords.

Depending on the power propagated from the third party referring to our threads (based on its own rank and relevance that is), we potentially loose a lot of visibility.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents, I'll shut up now

sentinels · 2008-06-23 #37

personally, i stopped perusing the forums for two reasons:
1. i started a new large-scale project
2. i didn't like the new version

#2 is still a large part of why i still haven't been coming as often as i used to.

arashsami · 2008-06-24 #38

Quote: Originally Posted by Anik

...

The fun factor is lost because people dont post, they just get what they need and leave, laughing alone is not as fun as laughing with other people, so having a fun thread, even if it is the most fun, or interesting, or good for learning thread with just 2 posts will never transcend.

What we must not forget is that this is a COMMUNITY, and a community requires participation, just like in real life, you dont stop going to the cinema just because they painted the walls with a color you dont like, or do you ?

Awwww anik, thats exactly what I wanted to say, true.

wolf · 2008-06-24 #39

you dont stop going to the cinema just because they painted the walls with a color you dont like, or do you ?

I would.

Anik · 2008-06-24 #40

why ? makes absolutely no sense. To tell you the truth i dont like most cinemas designs, but what do i care, i go to the cinema to see movies not walls.

Iam really interested in knowing why would you stop going to a cinema because the wall color is not your fav.

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	Holaso	2008-06-10 #2
	I blame it on the google generation and the web 2.0 experience. Ten years ago sites like this were some of the only ones to go to. Now everyone seems to divide their time up between 10+ other forums and social networking sites...not to mention Google and Wikipedia. I myself am guilty of spending extra time on Wikipedia, Google, Linkedin, and DeviantArt...as you can see each site is a subject matter distinctly different from the other and my time is divided. On top of that add work, family, and my own personal time.

	Isocase	2008-06-10 #3
	I just got a new job and I am getting busier at work. I do frequent the site a lot because I am learning more things so I need help with more stuff. But I know as I get older, do the whole family thing etc.etc. My time will become limited and I won't have as much time to browse not only this forum but other sites as well. I do know a lot of the top dev's here have been a little quite but thats because client work takes top priority.

	Mijiru	2008-06-10 #4
	I have no excuse Edit: Whoops, this is the Flash forum - in that case, I have.

	mehmet22	2008-06-10 #6
	Work is keeping me really busy. But I am still lurking here for a good .5 - 1 hour a day.

	3D-man	2008-06-10 #7
	I'm just amazed. It just seems like its changed since the site first started about 8 years ago.

	enkriptid	2008-06-16 #8
	for reals man, i noticed that too... i think maybe they could of left up the submissions part of the site.. i mean if there are no tutorials and no open source, what reason would a new designer have to stick around very long when there are plenty of other sites that offer these very helpful resources.. i believe that unless your already at least somewhat intermediate. . you would most likely end up going somewhere else before posting anything here

	Hansen Creative Assets	2008-06-17 #9
	http://www.ultrashock.com/forums/tutorials/ Ultrashock Tutorials Index http://www.ultrashock.com/tutorials But I think we need to come up with a better way of displaying the tuts.. the forum solution isn't enough I think.

	enkriptid	2008-06-17 #10
	yeah.. i knew they were here.. but i was trying to speak from the perspective of someone new to the site

	Anik 27 Creative Assets	2008-06-17 #11
	It is really sad if people only come to UltraShock to find free stuff and tutorials, considering the forums have been maintained from the begging with the time of professionals that take time from their free time to help others, so i get angry each time people complain about how there are no new tutorials, and never recognize the amount of time some of US members have taken to help them or help any one who asked for help, and the amount of time, work, and money US owners have put into the site to give everything for free, so many people have started their career with the things they have learned here, and so few have given something in return to the community. The problem here imo, is that people want to be helped but dont help, want tutorials but have never contributed with one, etc etc, its very easy to talk and not do, and everything has a limit, members that contribute to US also have one, like Nutrox who i can bet has helped everyone who has ever asked a question here, and had to take a break lately since he was basically spending more time here than doing his stuff, and then came to the forum and read people complaining about how there's no new tutorials, come on. I am also concerned about the participation in the forums, i also wished there where more people contributing helping, sharing interesting stuff, or just chatting for fun, that where creating new tutorials etc, but i really dont see people willing to do any of that.


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	Mijiru	2008-06-17 #12
	Last edited by Mijiru : 2008-06-17 at 08:13. I don't think there are many people like that Anik. I think ultrashock is too professional for the mass now. If I ever decide to start with Flash again this isn't the place where I'll be studying action script, this information being exchanged here is like Tier 3. I think it's the lack of people on a lower level (who are into free stuff and tutorials) on this forum is causing the ultrashock community to grow grey. edit: illustration, rolf.

	elQueFaltaba	2008-06-17 #13
	Last edited by elQueFaltaba : 2008-06-17 at 08:17. Mijiru - you actually made me laugh at the Tier3 mentioning, thanx. Well, i'm back in after so many years of wondering about in other forums or in none. I think there are a good bunch of people who now tend to cast their questions as if the members of a forum (any forum for that matter) were there to solve their problems. Or even worse, they come up with any free code they found around, and want you to decode the free script, and make it work to their specs. Some of them don't want to know how it works, they just want it done. In other places, i've seen the core members refusing to explain what a given code does when its obvious the user doesn't really know the basics in the first place... which sometimes its a bit rough, but fair enough to those who really want to help and get help back.

	enkriptid	2008-06-17 #14
	Last edited by enkriptid : 2008-06-17 at 23:53. Anik, i agree with you to an extent. you must also consider the "fun" factor as well, submitting something cool for someone else to learn from is fun in my book.. i did it plenty at flashkit back in the flash 5/6 days. i got enough work doing complete projects to actually care about someone using a menu with xml sample or something so isolated, submitting is just as much a learning experience as is decompiling (for what ever reasons) and editing/piecing apart fla's just on diff. levels *consider the manuals a developer must create for his software.. What i miss is the experimental submissions.. stuff that most people wouldnt really be able to use on a site except in very rare occasions . i mean, thats what i learned the most from, seeing how things so abstract where constructed to inspire my own creativity. we must not forget this is a science.. and people will gain more of an interest when that is reflected more so in this site upon first glance, like the old version of it did...

	Anik 27 Creative Assets	2008-06-18 #15
	I think mijiru hit the nail on this, at least partially, contrary to what you say enkriptid, i think US apart from the low participation of its members, has grown too advanced on the questions and most n00bs cant find what they are looking for since its not much of a place for starters anymore, the more scientific and specific you get the less people will understand it. The fun factor is lost because people dont post, they just get what they need and leave, laughing alone is not as fun as laughing with other people, so having a fun thread, even if it is the most fun, or interesting, or good for learning thread with just 2 posts will never transcend. What we must not forget is that this is a COMMUNITY, and a community requires participation, just like in real life, you dont stop going to the cinema just because they painted the walls with a color you dont like, or do you ?

	Andy-M	2008-06-18 #16
	Well I agree that the questions on here are getting quite advanced. It's not like "how do I make a mouseover menu?" anymore. As for people not posting, I almost have to agree with that too. I can point you to several threads in the past few weeks where someone posted a question and then had a lot of flurry of activity in the days after the first initial post until the question is answered. Then not even a "thank you" reply. They just leave. This attitude also contributes to the forum as not only does it makes the contributors to that thread mad, but it contributes to the overall attitude of the forum in a negative way. (However, usually these posters have done the same thing in the past - post only to ask questions and disappear once they have the answer without even a simple "thanks" reply). It doesn't become a community anymore but rather a help desk. So I agree with Anik, we must start getting more fun threads and people posting random things like "I just bought new shoes". Ok that might be dumb but at least it's part of a community. A community is about sharing and to keep a community going, we need to be as sharing as possible. ...which is why I created this thread: http://www.ultrashock.com/forums/ran...-new-post.html

	mehmet22	2008-06-18 #17
	I second the quote about the questions getting pretty hard. When I am lurking on the boards I stumble on some questions that are seriously overwhelming. But I have been known to ask pretty simple questions which get answered very fast. I must say I always try to say Thank You.

	Laveklint 4 Creative Assets	2008-06-18 #18
	I´ve been quite busy the last weeks or so but I try to check at least once a day and I try to help out as much as I can, however I agree with the fact that every now and again a feeling of less attendance here on US, which is quite sad. As Anik said, US have contributed so much as have the US´ers who spend a lot of their time helping needed, and the least everyone can do is try to give something back... Otherwise it´s like we all behave like a teenage-guy-having-sex ..alot of taking but no giving

	Nutrox 17 Creative Assets	2008-06-18 #19
	I think one of the reasons why the questions are getting more advanced, and I'm aiming this at the Flash/AS related questions, is because the forum and most of it's regular members are maturing with the technologies they use. Compare the timelines on this page and this page with Ultrashock's timeline and you should see parallels. As well as that, a lot of members here use Flash/AS on a daily basis because it is tied directly to their profession, so they will no doubt want to learn more technical stuff and ask more technical questions in order to advance their careers. If members are learning AS at the moment then they should be learning AS3 really, so the questions are going to be more technical by default. You learn the basics, then move on to classes etc, then design patterns, and so on. A lot of stuff you can do with Flash and AS now wasn't possible before (i.e. in the early Ultrashock days). That is one angle to it anyway. If I had a choice between "serious pro technical Ultrashock" and "fun kiddies playground Ultrashock" I would choose the former.

	SightStorm	2008-06-19 #20
	I agree, at this point in time there are so many sources of basic adobe knowledge including flash that places like US2 become just "another option" where people could find answers. However, developers using US2 as a more advanced source of help doesn't surprise me at all. I'm sure in future years US2 will be even more technical as other sources of information flourish.

	Codemonkey	2008-06-19 #21
	The reason questions are getting more and more advanced is because the easy ones have been answered over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. You can find almost anything on these boards alone, let alone forums like kirupa where people like senocular literally cover every word of the syntax/api. The internet is full of tutorials after years of actionscript.

	Nutrox 17 Creative Assets	2008-06-19 #22
	Quote: Originally Posted by Codemonkey The reason questions are getting more and more advanced is because the easy ones have been answered over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. I hear you, déjà vu is common for us Ultrashock regulars. All of the answers to the basic questions are in this forum somewhere, that is for sure, but some people are too lazy to search for them. They probably use Google to search for porn all day but they can't be bothered to search Ultrashock for an answer to a question.

	Mijiru	2008-06-19 #23
	But on the other hand it also explains why attendance is low, maybe people are searching instead of opening threads.

	Nutrox 17 Creative Assets	2008-06-19 #24
	Yep, it is a double edged sword unfortunately. More searches means less new threads, and vise versa. I don't think the forum is that slow to be honest though, it might not be as active as it once was but that isn't the end of the world.

	Anik 27 Creative Assets	2008-06-19 #25
	Quote: Originally Posted by Nutrox They probably use Google to search for porn all day but they can't be bothered to search Ultrashock for an answer to a question. LOL ! that is true.

	nrg 11 Creative Assets	2008-06-20 #26
	Here's a fact: currently 61.51% from our daily traffic comes directly from Google results...

	Mijiru	2008-06-20 #27
	True. http://www.google.be/search?hl=nl&cl...G=Zoeken&meta=

	Codemonkey	2008-06-20 #29
	it's wrong, right? Otherwise we need to rename the thread pronto

	Nutrox 17 Creative Assets	2008-06-20 #30
	centred is the American version, everyone else uses centered as it is the correct spelling.

	Codemonkey	2008-06-20 #31
	it won't show up in the correct spelling then :/

	Nutrox 17 Creative Assets	2008-06-20 #32
	That is a shame really because it is quite a good thread. Doing a google for "full screen flash" does return an Ultrashock result but it is the 35th result or something and it references this thread not the big full screen thread. Looks like this is another area of SEO that needs addressing, the differences between English and American-English spellings. I would have thought Google would have been smart enough to handle that though.